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Telling God's Story: Bible, Church and Narrative Theology
If we take the same "liberties" we will come up with another "prophecy" and therefore another "Jesus. The historical events of Israel revealed by inspiration has narrative value, in the first instance, to the inspired writers. Once, often-parabolic events had already been explained as fulfilled in Christ and the church, that authority to do our own "walk around" ceased or inspiration means nothing.
Therefore, as an inspired person John had rights to use the past to explain the present and future that we do not have--unless we are inspired. We have the right to "get into" the story to experience what others have experienced, but once WE begin to retranslate or radically modify the original story to fit OUR experience then we are more important that the inspired writer. Jesus identified the "from the foundation of the world" story as a "parable" even as Job does. However, "parable" doesn't mean that creation didn't happen and therefore we have a right to make a cottage industry out of the meaning of 'days'.
God has always "narrated" the creation story and applied its principles to the flood, the Red Sea and the "recreation" of Israel in Jeremiah 4. Therefore, once God has explained the "spiritual" meaning of physical creation we have no authority to "explain God's explanation" to mean something beyond.
Parable to Job meant a highly-enriched form of speech: the fact happened but the meaning is within the text and should be left there. We, then, need to look at the text for meaning and not into our mirror. If we "rewrite" the story we are like one who gets into the 'egg cell' and cuts and splices the DNA of a human genome. The canon not necessarily of biblical texts, but at least in the meanings of those texts is not closed. Narrative theology gave rise to various narrative communities-- hence, the arrival of liberation and feminist theologies.
Because Buber is the founder, most narrative theology, especially in Jewish circles, is related to Auschwitz. Why, of course, to affirm the self. Hazards in the Mainline. Liberation Theology : A movement that attempts to unite theology with social and religious concerns about oppression. It finds expressions among blacks , feminists , Asians, Hispanics, and Native Americans, but it is most closely identified with the shift toward Marxism among Roman Catholic theologians and priests in Latin America.
Most traditional doctrines of Christianity are de-emphasized or reinterpreted. Jesus and the Bible are defined and interpreted in light of a class struggle ,. This is why to use the Biblical text as it has been delivered to establish faith and practice is the only way to arrive at the same bible, same God, same Christ and therefore same church. This is why it is important to understand that people come at the Bible from different directions. For instance, if Dr.
Shelly sees the facts of the Exodus story to make the Exodus a pattern for worship and community we can say that this is not our view.
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Therefore, we are looking at two different bibles and the quest for unity is meaningless and furthermore should not be sought after. Speaking of Justifying the Mennonite tradition based on Narrative Theology:. That means "Change Agents" and that means "Jubilee". This story comes to those of us whom it constitutes through layers of cultural and historical sediment , and that our reading of the story originates in our contemporary circumstances and formative traditions.
Thus the " normative " story's origins are less in the past than in the present, and must be justified in terms of the present. If Scripture cannot be read without the layers of cultural and historical sediment, then my story is as good as your story. Therefore, there is no right or wrong story! We are then free to go our own way and should not attempt to wreck those who hold to "yesterday's" views of the Bible.
However, in the terms of one speaker, this means that "God cannot communicate in human languages. If Scripture sees the Exodus as the conditionally-terminal fall from Grace among the Jews, and I can turn it into an approved example for community and worship then our layers of culture forces us to contradict the word "as it is written" prior to Narrative Theology. Doesn't this make the Bible God now move in different ways so that even the black words on white paper suddenly transmute into different words?
This is why trying to explain God and worship by using the Scriptures is increasingly held to be "legalistic" or even proof of being neurotic, psychotic or "demon possessed. John York and Rubel Shelly claim to have "taken liberties" with the Exodus event and teach their "flock" to use this practice.
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I might come up with a different story for me. York and Shelly will say that John wrote a much more liberated gospel than Luke and the implication is that John was free to interpret in His own way. We believe that John would not agree:. Rubel Shelly : As I read John , he is far less concerned with Luke's "orderly account " or Matthew's prophecy - fulfillment motif , et al. Aren't Paul's epistles correctives after the church had misunderstood Christian doctrine? Then wouldn't you say that issuing an end of the period corrective is based on an eyewitness account rather than interpreting the historical events as understood in John's old age?
Does John take liberties or does he give us additional material presented by the "inbreathing" of the Spirit of Christ 1 Peter ?
If John delivered his account by taking liberties then how would the Holy Spirit have written the Gospel Account of John? How do we know that Jesus wasn't just constructing His story of the Dying and resurrecting Dionysus the Jews thought that He might be or taking on the Role of the Suffering Servant? If we can take liberties with Exodus to see the " loss of covenant " motif and turn it into a pattern of worship and community and make Moses our spiritual father then we look forward to the Narrative Theology treatment of John who presented the "gospel" motif for believers as the spiritual antitype of the failure type of Mount Sinai.
John presents the "rejecting" reality as the Israelites used this failed theology to claim that the golden calf was their god who brought them out of Israel. Of course, new wine from new wineskins and the musical idolatry brought from Egypt may have been their "inspiration" when saying to God: "We don't want to hear your voice. The proof-text of Matthew's hermeneutic is , etal:. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Matthew Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew Did Matthew report on the fulfillment of prophecy or did he pull a theological dodge of just elaborating the prophecies motif for some personal goal?
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Did this common man really believe that he was taking liberties to construct a " prophecy-fulfillment motif. Did Matthew elaborate the prophecies to connect the events with what was prophesied, or did the Spirit of Christ prophesy so that the real event would be a supernatural sign? Wouldn't that fit nicely with the pagan "gods" circulating in Jerusalem? You can hear the inspired transaction but you, dear friend, cannot walk around in the supernatural world of God.
Rubel Shelly : He John takes the sort of liberty you and I have encouraged this church to take with the slavery , redemption , wilderness trek, and other aspects of Exodus. John The same was in the beginning with God. John All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John In him was life ; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness ; and the darkness comprehended it not.
If as God-Incarnate He cannot make a "once for all statement of fact" then how can we put our faith in Him? Is John taking liberties by using the Greek Logos theology of Hermes hermeneutics the inventor of musical instruments and father of thieves liars? Does he just force-fit Jesus into the spiritual Messiah to explain why Jesus wasn't the literal David Messiah of literal warfare. And is it ok to lie "that ye might believe? Jesus made His believability hinge on His speaking exactly what He heard from the Father; Jesus commanded the Apostles to do that; Paul claimed that He knew only Christ as revealed to Him; Paul commanded the church to speak the same things.